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Jerwgar
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"New Super Strada SS300"
 
   Anyone heard anything on the new scooter that they tease you with on the flash screen when you go to powersportsfactory.com's website? It looks super nice and I am ready for an upgrade. Thanks Jeremy


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Bryce Ludwig
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1. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #0
 
   It's a Linhai Yamaha. Similar to the Diamo Turista 260, though it has an extra 20 or 30cc.

- Bryce Ludwig


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2. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #1
 
   You are 100% correct. 22hp. 45 days.


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4. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #2
 
   Dec,

You are doing this again?

I thought you will stop talking ass out yourself by making UNEDUCATED remarks.

SR


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psfcorp
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5. "correction - RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #2
 
   Dec,

You are doing this again?

I thought you will stop making ass out of yourself by making UNEDUCATED remarks.

SR


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8. "RE: correction - RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #5
 
   Uneducated is to purchase a scooter without first hand knowledge of it's level of quality and the quality of support.


"Hail Denver City, Denver /
Fair town that I love / with Microbrews and Broncos news / at 5000 feet above /
Hail Denver City, Denver / the place that you should be / So come along / I'll meet you in.....the Mile High City."

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3. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #0
 
   Jeremy,

I would proceed with extreme caution. I would be sure and see, touch and feel one - RIDE one - before you consider buying one. In particular, I would look for the type of quality issue that come up again again with brands like Strada - poor assembly hardware that quickly rusts and strips out - brittle, cheap quality body assemblies, shoddy welding, etc, etc, etc. These products are rarely finished well and they can cause real heartaches - especially when they are first introduced to the market. Think about value - not just price. Think about dealers - about support.


"Hail Denver City, Denver /
Fair town that I love / with Microbrews and Broncos news / at 5000 feet above /
Hail Denver City, Denver / the place that you should be / So come along / I'll meet you in.....the Mile High City."

By Me



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Corporal Mantis
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9. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #3
 
   I have had an rx200hp from PSF since it first came out and besides changing some bulbs have had no real issues. I have the advantage of being able to go to PSF in person but have known them to go above and beyond for their customers across the country. I think we can all agree that you may get what you pay for with a Chinese scooter but thats just it they aren't all bad. I for one am very interested in this new scooter and wouldn't hesitate to buy from PSF again.

>Jeremy,
>
>I would proceed with extreme caution. I would be sure and
>see, touch and feel one - RIDE one - before you consider
>buying one. In particular, I would look for the type of
>quality issue that come up again again with brands like
>Strada - poor assembly hardware that quickly rusts and
>strips out - brittle, cheap quality body assemblies, shoddy
>welding, etc, etc, etc. These products are rarely finished
>well and they can cause real heartaches - especially when
>they are first introduced to the market. Think about value
>- not just price. Think about dealers - about support.

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Bryce Ludwig
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10. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #9
 
   However, if you don't live near a PSF or a really good dealer......it might not be such a great purchase. That's the message I keep trying to push here. It's not the bike itself, it's who you buy from.

- Bryce Ludwig


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psfcorp
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11. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #9
 
   Just curious, is Peugeot near you?


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Bryce Ludwig
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12. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   Not anymore, which is why I'm a mad dog about local availability and support. There are 2 dealers in my area that sold Peugeot scooters. The problem was that Peugeot did not authorize the company here in the US. That and the company in the US didn't really bother to ensure that all the products were completely street legal. Additionally, the people importing Peugeots were dishonest crooks.

They had a decent number of dealers, and the Peugeot product is fantastic, but the support isn't there for US owners anymore.

So I stand by my comment. If a prospective buyer doesn't have local support available, they probably shouldn't buy. If you can't see one in person, sit on it, you probably shouldn't buy one. And if a buyer can get one, a test ride is really helpful to the buying process.

- Bryce Ludwig


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BaronMotorcycles
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22. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   "So I stand by my comment. If a prospective buyer doesn't have local support available, they probably shouldn't buy. If you can't see one in person, sit on it, you probably shouldn't buy one. And if a buyer can get one, a test ride is really helpful to the buying process."

What a bunch of nonsense! People should not be buying scooters if there is no dealer close by? Come on now!


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Corporal Mantis
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24. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #22
 
   That is actually a good point. Hardly any dealers of chinese scooters offer test rides, even the importers. I have been to very small scooter shops of other major brands that don't even hesitate to let you ride. Especially considering the price point you would think that a test ride would be common. I guess insurance is just too much!?

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Bryce Ludwig
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26. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #22
 
   What a bunch of nonsense! People should not be buying scooters if there is no dealer close by? Come on now!

Even in some fairly rural areas, one can still get a Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki. Kymco does quite a bit of ATV business, and has many dealers in somewhat rural places. If the only option is for a person to buy a drop shipped scooter, then that person knows what he or she is getting into, because most things that person buys are probably also brought in via mail.

As a consumer, I think buying remotely is not a wise decision, and should be avoided if one can help it. I've had the experience (see the 2 issues of Scooter World Magazine covering that topic), and wouldn't care to repeat it.

You're just upset because I point out some of the drawbacks of your method of sales.

- Bryce Ludwig


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23. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #12
 
   Yet you do not want to abandon the scooter on which you have no local support and buy one that does. Why not? It's the money and it's not that important to you! Same reasons one would want to buy a bike without support in the first place. So what makes everyone that buys a bike without support different from you???


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Bryce Ludwig
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25. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   I've explained that one before. My scooter hasn't really had problems, and if a major one comes along, it will probably be at a point when it makes sense to buy another one.

What makes people who buy without support different from me is the fact that there was support (or a widely believed promise of it) when I bought my scooter.

Finally, at this point, I would lose tons of money selling my scooter and trying to buy something else. It just makes no sense.

- Bryce Ludwig


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13. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #11
 
   Ok, all valid points.

On DEC sunject, what makes you think that Dec had ever ddealt with our products? I am sure 100% he had never seen all new models.

By the way, you think DEC knows that TNG used to buy from same factory we work with and switched their China supplier due to the fact that original supplier would not lower prices like all China suppiers do?

Regarding overheating on 260cc, you are corrrect. We advised Linhai on 2-4 issues, nothing major, just typical china qc and poor testing.

Superstrada 300 at 3495.00 will be very hot. Bank on it.

Regards


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14. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #13
 
   The difference is the model - not the models. Tn'G does business the right way - exclusively through local servicing dealers. E-Bay and internet sales are not allowed. They have the infrastructure and support network to do this. It costs more in the end - therefore the products do, too. It's worth it, though. And, as a dealer, I have been very pleased with CMSI's consistantly superior service. Remember, folks - there is more to a product than the raw materials - the PEOPLE behind it matter, too. Internet direct sales are the first clue that a particular seller may not be in it for the long haul. The quick buck is more likely thier motivation.


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Fair town that I love / with Microbrews and Broncos news / at 5000 feet above /
Hail Denver City, Denver / the place that you should be / So come along / I'll meet you in.....the Mile High City."

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psfcorp
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15. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #13
 
   Internet sales:

http://www.sirscooter.com/promotions.htm

Regards


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16. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #15
 
  

Ellen
2005 Stella
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17. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   u awesome!


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18. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #13
 
   <<<<In contrast I found it very difficult to even find TnG Scooters. Their booth was the minimum possible 10×10 sized unit and they had only 3 scooters present, the Baja 150, The Verona 150 and one of their employees used Venice LX. It was almost as though TnG was saying “We’re going to put our name everywhere, we want you to see our name, but not us”. It was a real let down. >>>>


2006 write-up at:

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psfcorp
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29. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #18
 
   Dec, at this point has made over 20 posts with same unprofessional statements.

Never used any examples, never supplied any facts.

He has never serviced any of our bikes, he has never contacted us for any support issues.


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30. "The model of professionalism"
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   http://www.scooterbbs.com/cgi-bin/board/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5044&forum=DCForumID11&omm=17&viewmode=threaded


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19. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-06 AT 00:50 AM (EDT)
 
On DEC sunject, what makes you think that Dec had ever ddealt with our products? I am sure 100% he had never seen all new models.

I thought he made mention of somebody bringing one by his shop.

Regarding overheating on 260cc, you are corrrect. We advised Linhai on 2-4 issues, nothing major, just typical china qc and poor testing.

Good that those issues have been worked on. The Diamo I saw at their booth was much nicer looking than the one I tested this summer. I guess everybody has to muscle the factories in China a little bit in order to get quality.

- Bryce Ludwig


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20. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   Bryce,

Did Diamo happen to have that sport motorcycle at their booth? It looks pretty neat I just question its build quality and I have yet to see specs on it.

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21. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   I don't remember one there. But I saw a lot of things at Indy.

- Bryce Ludwig


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27. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-06 AT 03:45 AM (EDT)
 
How about these any word? http://www.epfguzzi.com/forsale/street.html
I like the Hyosung cycles, Ive seen a few of there scoots by the Wharton building on Penns campus. Wonder how there cycles are, Im just weighing my options come spring.

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28. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   Haven't tried out a Hyosung. Saw some at Indy, and they looked nice. Don't know much more about them.

- Bryce Ludwig


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31. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #3
 
   In particular, I would look for the type of
>quality issue that come up again again with brands like
>Strada - poor assembly hardware that quickly rusts and
>strips out - brittle, cheap quality body assemblies, shoddy
>welding, etc, etc, etc. These products are rarely finished
>well and they can cause real heartaches -

Hmmm....sounds like a damn good description of every Italian (or French) car I've ever owned or worked on.


Barry


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32. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #31
 
   I don't have first hand knowledge of French cars, but I've never found Italian hardware to be craptacular. When Italy started using plastics on a large scale, they did what Italian designers do. Hit the hottest trends without a whole lot of thought to the future. My Lancia's plastics didn't hold up to the harsh rays of the Arizona sun.

- Bryce Ludwig


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6. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
In response to message #0
 
   Bruce,

What you think about Dec.

Is he mad at his personal life? Size of his XXXX maybe?

One minute he says lets be nice, next minute he is back making remarks about products which he had never seen.

SR


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Bryce Ludwig
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7. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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   I don't usually talk about people. I've met him, and my impression of Decadron is that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to scooters. Beyond that, I don't know what he has or hasn't seen. He's seen more than I have though, and for some reason I believe he's seen a couple PSF products in person.

I had some problems with the Diamo Turista 260 that I rode. The clutch never was smooth, ever. After 430 miles, it never smoothed out. I also had an overheating problem at top speed. Since most normal high temperatures are caused by stop and go traffic and lack of air flow to the radiator, this turned out to be something wrong. Finally, the rear brake needed to be bled out. The one I was riding was not the final model that they imported. The one I saw at the Diamo booth at Indy had some cosmetic updates (and hopefully the problems I had have been addressed).

My final comment is that I do agree with some of his advice. I think prospective buyers should be able to see a vehicle in person before they buy, and to touch it, sit on it, and hopefully ride it. I couldn't agree more with that advice. And we've gone through the reasons for that more than a few times. If you're curious, look up threads from the past year that are Baron related.

- Bryce Ludwig


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