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- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
Bryce Ludwig, Mar-06-06, 08:50 PM, (1)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
decadron, Mar-06-06, 10:30 PM, (3)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
Corporal Mantis, Mar-07-06, 06:34 PM, (9)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
Bryce Ludwig, Mar-07-06, 07:49 PM, (10)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
psfcorp, Mar-07-06, 09:49 PM, (11)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
Bryce Ludwig, Mar-07-06, 10:16 PM, (12)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
psfcorp, Mar-07-06, 10:33 PM, (13)
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decadron, Mar-07-06, 10:39 PM, (14)
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psfcorp, Mar-07-06, 10:44 PM, (15)
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psfcorp, Mar-07-06, 10:52 PM, (18)
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Bryce Ludwig, Mar-08-06, 00:50 AM, (19)
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wombatWheeler, Mar-13-06, 10:43 PM, (31)
- RE: New Super Strada SS300,
psfcorp, Mar-07-06, 00:08 AM, (6)
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psfcorp
Member since Oct-23-05
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Mar-07-06, 00:00 AM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Dec, You are doing this again? I thought you will stop talking ass out yourself by making UNEDUCATED remarks. SR |
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psfcorp
Member since Oct-23-05
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Mar-07-06, 00:02 AM (EDT) |
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5. "correction - RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Dec, You are doing this again? I thought you will stop making ass out of yourself by making UNEDUCATED remarks. SR
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decadron
Member since Nov-25-02
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Mar-06-06, 10:30 PM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Jeremy, I would proceed with extreme caution. I would be sure and see, touch and feel one - RIDE one - before you consider buying one. In particular, I would look for the type of quality issue that come up again again with brands like Strada - poor assembly hardware that quickly rusts and strips out - brittle, cheap quality body assemblies, shoddy welding, etc, etc, etc. These products are rarely finished well and they can cause real heartaches - especially when they are first introduced to the market. Think about value - not just price. Think about dealers - about support.  "Hail Denver City, Denver / Fair town that I love / with Microbrews and Broncos news / at 5000 feet above / Hail Denver City, Denver / the place that you should be / So come along / I'll meet you in.....the Mile High City."
By Me
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Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
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Mar-08-06, 03:39 AM (EDT) |
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26. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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What a bunch of nonsense! People should not be buying scooters if there is no dealer close by? Come on now! Even in some fairly rural areas, one can still get a Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki. Kymco does quite a bit of ATV business, and has many dealers in somewhat rural places. If the only option is for a person to buy a drop shipped scooter, then that person knows what he or she is getting into, because most things that person buys are probably also brought in via mail. As a consumer, I think buying remotely is not a wise decision, and should be avoided if one can help it. I've had the experience (see the 2 issues of Scooter World Magazine covering that topic), and wouldn't care to repeat it. You're just upset because I point out some of the drawbacks of your method of sales. - Bryce Ludwig |
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psfcorp
Member since Oct-23-05
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Mar-07-06, 10:33 PM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Ok, all valid points. On DEC sunject, what makes you think that Dec had ever ddealt with our products? I am sure 100% he had never seen all new models. By the way, you think DEC knows that TNG used to buy from same factory we work with and switched their China supplier due to the fact that original supplier would not lower prices like all China suppiers do? Regarding overheating on 260cc, you are corrrect. We advised Linhai on 2-4 issues, nothing major, just typical china qc and poor testing. Superstrada 300 at 3495.00 will be very hot. Bank on it. Regards |
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decadron
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Mar-07-06, 10:39 PM (EDT) |
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14. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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The difference is the model - not the models. Tn'G does business the right way - exclusively through local servicing dealers. E-Bay and internet sales are not allowed. They have the infrastructure and support network to do this. It costs more in the end - therefore the products do, too. It's worth it, though. And, as a dealer, I have been very pleased with CMSI's consistantly superior service. Remember, folks - there is more to a product than the raw materials - the PEOPLE behind it matter, too. Internet direct sales are the first clue that a particular seller may not be in it for the long haul. The quick buck is more likely thier motivation.  "Hail Denver City, Denver / Fair town that I love / with Microbrews and Broncos news / at 5000 feet above / Hail Denver City, Denver / the place that you should be / So come along / I'll meet you in.....the Mile High City."
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psfcorp
Member since Oct-23-05
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Mar-07-06, 10:52 PM (EDT) |
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18. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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<<<<In contrast I found it very difficult to even find TnG Scooters. Their booth was the minimum possible 10×10 sized unit and they had only 3 scooters present, the Baja 150, The Verona 150 and one of their employees used Venice LX. It was almost as though TnG was saying “We’re going to put our name everywhere, we want you to see our name, but not us”. It was a real let down. >>>> 2006 write-up at:
http://nyscooterclub.com/ |
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psfcorp
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Mar-08-06, 07:42 AM (EDT) |
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29. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Dec, at this point has made over 20 posts with same unprofessional statements. Never used any examples, never supplied any facts. He has never serviced any of our bikes, he has never contacted us for any support issues.
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Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
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Mar-08-06, 00:50 AM (EDT) |
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19. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-06 AT 00:50 AM (EDT) On DEC sunject, what makes you think that Dec had ever ddealt with our products? I am sure 100% he had never seen all new models.I thought he made mention of somebody bringing one by his shop. Regarding overheating on 260cc, you are corrrect. We advised Linhai on 2-4 issues, nothing major, just typical china qc and poor testing. Good that those issues have been worked on. The Diamo I saw at their booth was much nicer looking than the one I tested this summer. I guess everybody has to muscle the factories in China a little bit in order to get quality. - Bryce Ludwig |
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wombatWheeler
Member since Nov-26-05
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Mar-13-06, 10:43 PM (EDT) |
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31. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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In particular, I would look for the type of >quality issue that come up again again with brands like >Strada - poor assembly hardware that quickly rusts and >strips out - brittle, cheap quality body assemblies, shoddy >welding, etc, etc, etc. These products are rarely finished >well and they can cause real heartaches - Hmmm....sounds like a damn good description of every Italian (or French) car I've ever owned or worked on.
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psfcorp
Member since Oct-23-05
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Mar-07-06, 00:08 AM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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Bruce, What you think about Dec. Is he mad at his personal life? Size of his XXXX maybe? One minute he says lets be nice, next minute he is back making remarks about products which he had never seen. SR |
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Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
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Mar-07-06, 01:29 AM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: New Super Strada SS300"
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I don't usually talk about people. I've met him, and my impression of Decadron is that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to scooters. Beyond that, I don't know what he has or hasn't seen. He's seen more than I have though, and for some reason I believe he's seen a couple PSF products in person. I had some problems with the Diamo Turista 260 that I rode. The clutch never was smooth, ever. After 430 miles, it never smoothed out. I also had an overheating problem at top speed. Since most normal high temperatures are caused by stop and go traffic and lack of air flow to the radiator, this turned out to be something wrong. Finally, the rear brake needed to be bled out. The one I was riding was not the final model that they imported. The one I saw at the Diamo booth at Indy had some cosmetic updates (and hopefully the problems I had have been addressed). My final comment is that I do agree with some of his advice. I think prospective buyers should be able to see a vehicle in person before they buy, and to touch it, sit on it, and hopefully ride it. I couldn't agree more with that advice. And we've gone through the reasons for that more than a few times. If you're curious, look up threads from the past year that are Baron related. - Bryce Ludwig |
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